A look at all 38 of Schneider’s trades

NFL draftDRAFT COUNTDOWN: 6 days. As the draft approaches, we look at draft-related topics involving the Seahawks.

“Who says we’re picking at 26?”

With that comment on KJR last week, John Schneider basically confirmed the Seahawks are going to be looking to trade out of the first round again.

Schneider said this draft is made for trading down because it is the deepest draft since he took over as Seattle’s GM in 2010.

The draft is especially deep in the two areas where the Seahawks need help: offensive line and defensive tackle. And that explains why Schneider will once again be looking to move down.

“You always have to find a partner, and that can be somewhat difficult throughout the day and throughout the weekend,” the GM said. “But this is one of those drafts (that make you want to move down).”

Schneider has made 11 in-draft deals over the last six years, including two moves down in the first round and four moves down in the second. Last year, he actually moved up for just the second time — to secure star return man (and excellent receiver) Tyler Lockett.

Schneider has made 38 trades overall, including three last summer involving 2016 picks: sending a fifth-rounder to Kansas City for safety Kelcie McCray and a sixth to Detroit for cornerback Mohammed Seisay while acquiring a seventh from Dallas for running back Christine Michael (who later returned to Seattle).

Schneider’s favorite trade partner has been Detroit. His seven deals with them have netted Kam Chancellor, Byron Maxwell, Tyler Polumbus, John Moffitt, Kris Durham, Jesse Williams, Kevin Norwood, Kiero Small and Seisay.

He has made four deals with Philadelphia (Chris Clemons being the best), three with Oakland and two each with New Orleans, the New York Jets, Cincinnati, Minnesota, Baltimore and Buffalo.

He has done one-offs with Dallas, Kansas City, Carolina, Washington, Indianapolis, Denver, Tampa Bay, New England, San Francisco, Tennessee, San Diego and Cleveland.

We’ve got him with a 12-7-17 record (.611), with two incompletes. Check out all 38:

2015

6 trades: 3-1-0-2

Sept. 6: Traded RB Christine Michael to Dallas for seventh-rounder in 2016.
Result: Win.
Comment: Michael was drafted in the second round in 2013, so this was a horrible return at the time. It turned into a free pick though when the Seahawks ended up bringing Michael back.

Sept. 5: Acquired S Kelcie McCray from Kansas City for a fifth in 2016.
Result: Win.
Comment: With Chancellor holding out, the Hawks felt they needed to trade for a safety. And McCray proved to be a nice addition, especially on special teams.

Aug. 31: Traded WR Kevin Norwood to Carolina for conditional seventh in 2017.
Result: Loss.
Comment: Schneider basically swapped a 2014 fourth for a 2017 seventh. Schneider has not been as good in the fourth round as he has in most of the rest of the draft, and this deal was further proof.

Aug. 2: Acquired CB Mohammed Seisay from Detroit for sixth-rounder in 2016.
Result: Incomplete.
Comment: Seisay spent 2015 on injured reserve, but he looked good in preseason before he was injured and figures to push for a roster spot and more this year.

May 1: Traded a third (95), fourth (112), fifth (167) and sixth (181) to Washington to move up 26 spots in the third round to select WR Tyler Lockett.
Result: Win.
Comment: Lockett was stellar as a returner and receiver, making the Pro Bowl as a rookie. It was a brilliant move by Schneider, who even came out slightly ahead on the trade chart, giving up 229 points and getting 245. This will go down as one of the GM’s best moves.

March 10: Acquired TE Jimmy Graham and a fourth-rounder (112) from New Orleans for C Max Unger and a first-rounder (31).
Result: Incomplete.
Comment: We called this a win when it was made, but then Graham got hurt at midseason and was unable to prove it was a win. Now it comes down to whether he can bounce back from a torn patellar tendon — not an easy feat. We still think he will rebound and turn it back into a win.

2014

6 trades: 1-2-3

Oct. 17: Traded WR Percy Harvin to N.Y. Jets for a sixth-round pick (could have been a fourth if Jets had kept Harvin).
Result: Loss.
Comment: The Hawks sent three picks to Minnesota and paid $18.4 million to a guy who played in eight of 24 possible games (including playoffs). The Hawks ended up getting screwed in this deal even worse than they were in the Deion Branch move — although at least they didn’t send Harvin back to the same team that fleeced them to start with. It wasn’t hard to predict this ending. It’s a resounding loss — the biggest in Schneider’s tenure as Seattle GM.

Aug. 30: Acquired CB Marcus Burley from Indianapolis for sixth-rounder in 2015.
Result: Win.
Comment: Burley filled in during the first half of the 2014 season as injuries racked the secondary, and he stepped in again for the same reason in 2015. He’ll always be a backup, but that’s what sixth-round picks are for.

May 10: Traded down in the fourth round (111 to 123) with Cincinnati and added a sixth-rounder (199).
Result: Loss.
Comment: It seems like the Hawks should have netted a fifth for this move — or at least a seventh in addition to the sixth. But they ended up with an extra player (OT Garrett Scott at 199) and still got the guy they were targeting at 111, Kevin Norwood. Unfortunately, they were unaware of Scott’s heart defect, so they basically dropped 12 spots for nothing.

May 9: Traded down from 40 to 45 with Detroit, sending Detroit a fifth-rounder (146) and acquiring a fourth (111) and seventh (227).
Result: Tie.
Comment: The Hawks dropped down twice and still got the guy they wanted, Paul Richardson. Out of this deal, they ended up with FB Kiero Small (227) and they moved down again from 111 to add yet another pick (Norwood). Good moves by Schneider to add another pick, but Small did not make the team in 2014 and Norwood was gone in 2015. Nothing gained here.

May 8: Traded No. 32 to Minnesota for No. 40 and a fourth-rounder (108).
Result: Tie.
Comment: If they couldn’t have traded out of the first round, the Hawks were set to take Richardson at 32. That would have been too high. As it turned out, they moved down again and landed him at No. 45. With pick 108, they grabbed Cassius Marsh. Both players have shown promise, and it still could flip to a win if Richardson stays healthy and contributes in 2016 and 2017.

April 21: Acquired QB Terrelle Pryor from Oakland for seventh-round pick (247).
Result: Tie.
Comment: Pryor counted as part of the 2014 draft class, and he might have been the best move Schneider made on Day 3 — even though this deal was done three weeks before the draft. Pryor was a third-round supplemental pick by Oakland, and he started nine games for them in 2013. Schneider had nothing to lose by taking a flier on the supremely talented athlete, even if he didn’t make the team.

2013

5 trades: 1-1-3

Aug. 20: Traded OG John Moffitt to Denver for DT Sealver Siliga
Result: Tie.
Comment: The Hawks wasted a third-round pick on Moffitt, who simply didn’t have the desire to play — he retired three months after being traded and then was arrested in Chicago in March 2014 on drug possession charges. Siliga did some time on the practice squad in 2013 before finding his way onto New England’s roster. And now he is back, favored to start alongside Ahtyba Rubin.

April 26: Traded No. 56 to Baltimore for No. 62 (Christine Michael), 165 and 199
April 27: Traded No. 165 and 199 to Detroit for No. 137 (Jesse Williams)
Result: Tie.
Comment: Schneider pulled his usual trick in the second round and moved down before drafting Michael. Then the GM used the two other picks to move up in the fifth round and draft Williams. Michael is on his second stint and Williams has never played in the NFL, so there will be no win here. But Schneider gets an A for effort.

April 1: Traded QB Matt Flynn to Oakland for No. 5 in 2014 and conditional pick in 2015
Result: Win.
Comment: After paying Flynn $8 million to back up Wilson in 2012, Schneider knew he could not do it again in 2013, so he found a team that was willing to make Flynn its starter and he foisted Flynn’s $5.25 million salary off on Oakland. Flynn lost the starting job to Pryor and was released in October. The Hawks did not get the conditional pick in 2015, but they used the fifth in 2014 to trade down in the second round and add a fourth and seventh. The fourth turned into WR Kevin Norwood and the seventh became FB Kiero Small — neither of whom did anything for Seattle. But at least Schneider tried to get something for Flynn, so we will give him a win.

March 12: Acquired WR Percy Harvin from Minnesota for No. 1, No. 7, 2014 No. 3
Result: Loss.
Comment: Schneider pulled off the biggest blockbuster of his tenure, gambling three picks and $67 million that Harvin would turn the Seahawks’ offense into a nuclear power. But Harvin had a reactor leak in his hip in 2013 and barely played. He showed signs of what he could do in limited game action, including returning a kick for a touchdown in the Super Bowl. The Hawks tried to design their offense around him in 2014, but his bad attitude was too much to overcome, and Schneider ended up getting his ass kicked in this deal — easily the worst move he has made as Seattle GM (we warned him not to do it).

2012

5 trades: 3-0-2

Aug. 27: Sent QB Tarvaris Jackson to Buffalo for seventh in 2013.
Result: Win.
Comment: It would have been nice if the Hawks could have gotten more for him. The Bills buried him on the inactive list because they would have owed a sixth-rounder if he had been active for six games. Nice to have something for him but the Hawks mishandled him the entire way, from his inclusion in the bogus three-headed QB competition to the late deal. The fact that he was back a year later means the Hawks got a seventh-rounder for free (just like they later did with Michael). They used the selection in the package of picks they sent Minnesota for Percy Harvin in 2013.

Aug. 20: Sent LB Barrett Ruud to New Orleans for seventh in 2013.
Result: Win.
Comment: Not a bad deal, trading an injured guy after you signed him to a cheap contract. The Saints ended up releasing him in October and the Hawks walked away with a seventh-rounder. The Hawks could have gotten another seven for Braylon Edwards if they had been willing to deal him in September, but they misjudged that situation and ended up getting nothing for him when they released him after the trade deadline.

May 21: Acquired TE Kellen Winslow from Tampa Bay for a conditional sixth or seventh in 2013.
Result: Tie.
Comment: The deal was contingent on Winslow making the team, and the Hawks ended up cutting him after he balked at taking a pay cut. This deal was just a flier on an injury-prone dude with a bad attitude.

April 26: Dropped from 43 to 47 and picked up a fifth (154) and seventh (232) from the Eagles.
Result: Tie.
Comment: The Hawks ended up adding two picks to LB Bobby Wagner (47). LB Korey Toomer (154) was never able to stay healthy. DE Greg Scruggs (232) played quite a bit in the second half of his rookie season and then faded away. Wagner was a great pick, but he is not a product of this trade (they could have had him at 43).

April 26: Dropped from 12 to 15 and picked up a fourth (114) and sixth (172) from the Eagles.
Result: Win.
Comment: Schneider considered dropping farther down in the first round, but he decided to grab Bruce Irvin at 15 because he thought the Jets would take him at 16. The pick was a reach, but Schneider got good value for it. DT Jaye Howard (114) was inactive for most of his rookie season and didn’t make the team in 2013, instead going on to earn a nice contract from Kansas City in 2016. CB Jeremy Lane (172) has turned from special-teams standout to starting corner with a nice new contract, after overcoming a horribly unlucky 2014 season.

2011

3 trades: 1-0-2

Oct. 13: Traded LB Aaron Curry to Oakland for a 2012 seventh-rounder (OG J.R. Sweezy) and a fifth in 2013 (CB Tharold Simon).
Result: Tie.
Comment: We originally called this a loss simply because dumping the fourth overall pick should be a loss unless you come up with some great stuff out of it. But Curry’s admission that he was a lazy slug who did not try once he got paid (aka a thief) removes much of the blame from the team (Schneider had nothing to do with drafting him in 2009 anyway). Plus, Sweezy turned into a solid starter at right guard, earning a big contract from Tampa Bay that figures to net Seattle a comp pick in 2017. Injuries have stunted Simon’s growth, and he is on his last chance in 2016.

Aug. 29: Traded CB Kelly Jennings to Cincinnati for DT Clinton McDonald.
Result: Win.
Comment: The Hawks drafted two corners in 2011 and also had Marcus Trufant and Roy Lewis (who knew Brandon Browner would end up being more significant than any of them?) and needed depth on the D-line. Jennings lasted just one year in Cincinnati, but McDonald played for the Hawks for three years and parlayed a surprising 2013 season into a nice contract from Tampa Bay.

April 28: Traded the No. 57 pick along with fifth- (No. 157) and seventh-round picks (209) to Detroit for third- (No. 75), fourth- (No. 107), fifth- (No. 154) and seventh-round picks (No. 205).
Result: Tie.
Comment: Schneider basically turned Seattle’s second-round pick into a third and fourth, which became OG John Moffitt (75) and WR Kris Durham (107). Seattle drafted CB Richard Sherman (154) and DE Pep Levingston (205) in the fifth and seventh. Yes, Sherman was easily the best player to come out of the deal, but the Hawks could have had him with their original fifth-rounder, so he is not really a product of this move. Moffitt and Durham were flops. If the Hawks had stood pat in the second, they could have had WR Torrey Smith or WR Randall Cobb. The value of this trade was good, but Schneider took the wrong players, so we’ll call it a tie.

2010

13 trades: 5-2-6

Oct. 11: Traded WR Deion Branch to New England for a 2011 fourth-round pick (K.J. Wright).
Result: Tie.
Comment: Yeah, the Hawks didn’t get back nearly what they gave up in what became one of the franchise’s worst trades ever, but they got more from the Patriots than they probably could have gotten from anyone else for a broken-down little wideout. And then the Hawks pulled off a nice find in Wright, who replaced Curry as the strongside starter as a rookie. Straight up, you would call that a win. But you have to factor in the 2006 first-rounder and the $39 million contract Branch cost the Seahawks (even though Schneider had nothing to do with it). That makes it a tie.

Oct. 5: Traded a 2011 fourth-rounder (OL Chris Hairston) and 2012 fifth-rounder to Buffalo for RB Marshawn Lynch.
Result: Win.
Comment: That 67-yard Beast Quake touchdown run against the Saints in the 2010 playoffs was probably worth these two picks all by itself. But the Hawks got four great seasons out of Lynch before he broke down in 2015 and decided to hang up his cleats. This was easily Schneider’s best deal.

Sept. 5: Traded a 2011 seventh-rounder to Philadelphia for OT Stacy Andrews.
Result: Tie.
Comment: Andrews did not make the team, but it was nothing to give up for a guy who might have turned into something for Seattle.

Aug. 31: Traded a 2012 seventh-rounder to Detroit for OT Tyler Polumbus.
Result: Win.
Comment: Polumbus started seven games for Seattle in 2010 and played in 20 before the Hawks surprisingly let him go in 2011 (when they still had line problems). He went on to start for 42 games for Washington. He was a nice emergency pickup by Schneider.

Aug. 31: Traded CB Josh Wilson to Baltimore for a 2011 fifth-round choice.
Result: Loss.
Comment: We railed against this move when the Hawks dumped their best cover corner for peanuts. While they are in good shape at corner now, they weren’t when they made this deal. They went with Kelly Jennings at corner in 2010, and he failed to make a play. The Hawks ended up using that fifth-rounder in the deal with Detroit that netted them Sherman, so they basically replaced Wilson with Sherman a year later. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Seahawks should have gotten more for Wilson or, better yet, kept him over Jennings. Interesting side note: The Ravens recouped their fifth-rounder as a comp pick in 2012 for Wilson signing with Washington.

Aug. 18: Traded DE Lawrence Jackson to Detroit for a 2011 sixth-round choice (CB Byron Maxwell).
Result: Tie.
Comment: You can argue that Jackson was a bad first-round pick — he should have been a second-rounder. But this was just cutting losses. Jackson became a good rotation guy on Detroit’s line (13 sacks in three seasons) but was out of the league by 2013. Meanwhile, after two injury-plagued seasons, Maxwell ascended to Seattle’s starting lineup in 2014 and earned a big contract from Philadelphia. That turned this from a loss to a tie. That’s as good as it gets when you dump a first-rounder for a sixth.

Aug. 16: Traded a 2011 sixth-rounder to San Francisco for DT Kentwan Balmer.
Result: Tie.
Comment: This was the reverse of the Jackson deal, sending a late-round pick on a flier for a former first-rounder. No big loss.

April 24: Acquired RB LenDale White, DT Kevin Vickerson, a fourth-rounder (CB Walter Thurmond) and a sixth (TE Anthony McCoy) from Tennessee for a fourth and sixth.
Result: Tie.
Comment: At the time, this looked like a major win. But White was cut soon after the deal, and Vickerson surprisingly was let go just before the season. Thurmond played well when he wasn’t injured or suspended, and McCoy could not stay healthy. The Titans ended up with CB Alterraun Verner in the fourth, and he made the Pro Bowl in 2013 before earning a $26.5 million contract with Tampa Bay in 2014.

April 24: Acquired RB Leon Washington and a seventh-round pick (DE Dexter Davis) from the New York Jets for a fifth-round pick (RB John Conner).
Result: Win.
Comment: This looked like a great deal from the start, and Washington’s three return TDs in 2010 quickly verified that observation. Plus, the Hawks were able to keep him on a four-year deal in 2011, and he continued to run well for them in 2011-12 before they let him go in 2013 after they acquired Harvin (we never liked either of those moves).

April 5: Traded OG Rob Sims and a seventh-rounder to Detroit for DE Robert Henderson and a fifth-rounder (S Kam Chancellor).
Result: Win.
Comment: In 2010, this looked like a possible tie as the Hawks really struggled with their O-line (not much has changed, eh?), but Chancellor quickly tipped this deal in Seattle’s favor with his rapid progress in 2011. Over the second half of 2013, he was as dominant as any defender in the league. And he turned it up again in the 2014 playoffs, especially against Carolina. Sims started every game with the Lions over the past five years and was very solid for them, so it’s not like the Lions got their butts kicked in this deal. But Seattle got a Pro Bowl safety out of it (although he certainly didn’t deserve the reputation Pro Bowl he got in his holdout-shortened 2015 season).

March 17: Acquired QB Charlie Whitehurst and a second-round pick (60, WR Golden Tate) from San Diego for a second-rounder (40, RB Ryan Mathews) and a 2011 third-rounder (DB Shareece Wright).
Result: Loss.
Comment: This deal was a loss when it was made, based on what the Seahawks gave up for a third-string QB. The Chargers used the second-rounder to move up in the first round and draft Mathews. The Hawks drafted Tate at 60, and he took a couple of years to develop before turning in two good seasons and moving on to Detroit. Whitehurst did start the division-clinching season finale vs. the Rams in 2010, but he was uninspiring. And his horrendous performance in Cleveland in 2011 put the nail in his coffin. The Hawks got a little something back, though, because the Chargers brought him back in March 2012, and he netted the Hawks a seventh-round comp pick.

March 16: Traded DE Darryl Tapp to Philadelphia for DE Chris Clemons and a fourth-rounder (DE E.J. Wilson).
Result: Win.
Comment: Clemons had 33.5 sacks in his first three years before tearing his ACL in the 2012 playoffs and getting cut after the 2013 Super Bowl season. Tapp had six sacks in three years for Philly and then went to Detroit. This is obviously one of Schneider’s best trades, even though Wilson did not work out. And Clemons is back for another title run in 2016 (assuming he can make the team).

March 8: Traded QB Seneca Wallace to Cleveland for a conditional seventh-rounder in 2011.
Result: Tie.
Comment: When this deal was originally made, it seemed like a loss, simply because it seemed Schneider could have gotten one of Mike Holmgren’s three fifth-round picks in the 2010 draft. Wallace started seven games for the Browns over two years. The seventh-rounder the Hawks got went to Detroit in that Moffitt-Durham deal. So basically, the Hawks traded Wallace for Pep Levingston. Nothing for either side to crow about.

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3 thoughts on “A look at all 38 of Schneider’s trades”

  1. Since this is an evaluation of JS trades and not the historical performance of the front office, shouldn’t moves like 10/11/10 be assessed in terms of how effectively he recouped another GMs loss?

    Also, since the fourth-round pick acquired with Graham was part of the package that let JS draft Lockett, something positive has come out of the trade no matter what. Regardless of what happens, I’m never going to mind that deal because the cost for acquiring a proven elite talent was not very high.

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  2. It seems like the 8/20/13 Moffitt-Siliga is a loss because the return on a 3rd-round pick was a practice squad player. It’s nice that Siliga is back, but that’s a separate transaction.

    Moffitt is arguably the worst JS draft choice.

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    1. You could definitely argue that Moffitt deal is a loss. I don’t think there is any question he is Schneider’s worst pick, although Michael is still in the running, so to speak.

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