7 trades: 2-1-3-1
Sept. 2: Acquired SS Shalom Luani from Oakland for seventh-round pick.
Comment: Luani was added on cutdown day and kept over Maurice Alexander. He then was cut and brought back, so it remains to be seen whether this trade had any conditions. Luani played in 12 games in 2018.
Sept. 2: Acquired TE Darrell Daniels from Indianapolis for WR Marcus Johnson.
Comment: Daniels was brought in to step in for Ed Dickson, who remained on NFI and thus was set to miss the first six games. Daniels was waived after Week 3. Johnson played in five games for the Colts.
Aug. 29: Acquired QB Brett Hundley from Green Bay for a sixth-rounder in 2019.
Comment: Hundley, whom the Hawks passed over in the fourth round of the 2015 draft (they took Terry Poole instead) was erratic in Green Bay last season and has a lot of critics. But he’s better than what the Seahawks had for backups and might turn into a good No. 2 behind Russell Wilson.
April 29: Moved up from 156 overall (fifth round) to 149, giving Denver a seventh-rounder (226).
Comment: The Hawks moved up to get punter Michael Dickson, which seemed curious at the time and reportedly made Broncos execs laugh. But Dickson’s All-Pro season was nothing to laugh at.
April 28: Traded No. 76 overall to Pittsburgh for No. 79 and 220.
Comment: The Steelers moved up three spots in the third to take QB Mason Rudolph. The Seahawks added a seventh and still got their guy, DE Rasheem Green. Coincidentally, they used the seventh-rounder on a QB themselves, adding Alex McGough. He lasted just one season on the practice squad.
April 27: Traded No. 18 overall and a seventh to Green Bay for No. 27 overall, plus a third and sixth.
Comment: The Seahawks should have gotten more out of this deal, but the fact that they picked up a Day 2 pick means they at least pushed with the Packers. Seattle drafted RB Rashaad Penny and DE Rasheem Green with those two picks.
March 7: Agreed to trade DE Michael Bennett and seventh-rounder in 2018 to Philadelphia for WR Marcus Johnson and a fifth-rounder.
Comment: John Schneider was in such a hurry to make this deal he agreed with the Eagles before the Patriots came along and reportedly offered a third-rounder for Bennett and a fifth. Schneider did not get what he could have for Bennett, proving he really just wanted to ditch the veteran Pro Bowl player who really should have been kept for another year. Not well played.
12 trades: 6-1-5-0
Oct. 30: Traded third-rounder in 2018 and second in 2019 to Houston for OT Duane Brown and a fifth in 2018.
Comment: Left tackle was the biggest hole in Seattle’s offense in 2016 and 2017. Brown turned it into a major strength in 2018 and signed up for three more years. The deal originally sent CB Jeremy Lane to Houston, but he failed his physical. The price was a little high, but Brown showed he was worth it in 2018.
Sept. 2: Traded DE Cassius Marsh to New England for fifth- and seventh-rounder in 2018.
Comment: Marsh was entering the final year of his rookie contract and was an iffy re-sign, so Schneider got good value for the former fourth-round pick, who ended up finishing the season (and staying) with the 49ers.
Sept. 2: Acquired OT Isaiah Battle from Kansas City for conditional pick in 2018.
Comment: Some thought the Seahawks would be interested in Battle in the 2015 supplemental draft (the Rams took him in the fifth round). Battle was on and off the roster in two seasons with the Rams and didn’t draw raves from the Chiefs in the 2017 preseason. He ended up getting released by Seattle and added to the practice squad — and the Hawks didn’t owe a seventh for him.
Sept. 1: Acquired DL Sheldon Richardson and 2018 seventh-rounder from the New York Jets for WR Jermaine Kearse and 2018 picks in the second and seventh rounds.
Comment: The Hawks were not going to keep Kearse and his $5 million salary in 2018, so they got something in return. But Richardson’s play didn’t match the price the Hawks paid for the one-year rental. Schneider had a chance to make this a tie, but he didn’t play the comp game in 2018 and thus didn’t get anything for losing Richardson to Minnesota.
Sept. 1: Acquired CB Justin Coleman from New England for conditional 2018 seventh-rounder.
Comment: This looked like a flyer on secondary depth, but Coleman rose up and played in 60 percent of the defensive snaps in 2017. He was the team’s top RFA and returned in 2018, though he didn’t play quite as well.
Sept. 1: Traded CB Tramaine Brock to Minnesota for a seventh-rounder in 2018.
Comment: Pretty good to get something for a guy the Hawks just added two weeks earlier. They basically flipped Brock for Coleman in a three-team trade, getting back the pick they sent the Patriots (if they end up owing it).
Aug. 21: Acquired OL Matt Tobin & 2018 seventh-rounder from Philadelphia for 2018 fifth-rounder.
Comment: With George Fant out for the season, the Seahawks needed depth on the line and were still a couple of months from acquiring Duane Brown. Tobin, undrafted in 2013, started 20 games at guard for the Eagles. He also has played tackle. He barely played for Seattle, but he didn’t cost that much.
July 28: Acquired LB D.J. Alexander from Kansas City for LB Kevin Pierre-Louis.
Comment: For the second time in three years, the Seahawks got an ace special-teams player from Kansas City. The Chiefs obviously thought KPL could be better for them, but Seattle valued Alexander for his teams ability. As it turned out, Alexander was banged up all year — just like KPL used to be.
April 28: Traded down from 34 to 35, adding a sixth from Jacksonville.
Comment: The Seahawks didn’t get as much value out of this move as they should have, possibly because there wasn’t as much action for quarterbacks as there figured to be. Their first pick was a gamble on Michigan State DT Malik McDowell, and they used the sixth-rounder on Cincinnati DB Mike Tyson. In all, they moved down three times to get five players for the price of one. Pretty good.
April 27: Traded down from 31 to 34, adding a fourth from San Francisco.
Comment: Adding a fourth for a three-spot drop was a solid move. The Hawks used the pick to help their secondary some more, with Colorado FS Tedric Thompson.
April 27: Traded down from 26 to 31, adding a third and seventh from Atlanta.
Comment: John Schneider pulled off the same deal as 2016, this time getting a seventh on top of the third. Those picks turned into Michigan SS Delano Hill and Oklahoma State RB Chris Carson.
April 26: Traded RB Marshawn Lynch and a sixth-rounder in 2018 to Oakland for a 2018 fifth-rounder.
Comment: This move was weeks in the making, as Lynch decided to come out of retirement after a year to play for his hometown team. Schneider accommodated him by making a simple transaction with his friend, Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie. The Hawks were never going to get much because they had no leverage. But, considering they had moved on from Lynch anyway, it was a bonus small move up in the 2018 draft.
4 trades: 3-0-1
Sept. 3: Acquired LB Dewey McDonald from Oakland for a 2017 seventh-rounder.
Comment: The Seahawks made two trades on cutdown day but ended up keeping only McDonald, who turned into a special-teams mainstay in 2016.
April 30: Traded a 2017 fourth-round pick and swapped 2016 seventh-rounders with New England to add a fifth-round pick.
Comment: For the first time in his seven drafts, Schneider surrendered a future draft pick. He did it to get DT Quinton Jefferson, whom the Seahawks viewed as a bit like Michael Bennett. Jefferson spent his first season on injured reserve and bounced to the Rams and back in 2017. He turned into a starter in 2018.
April 29: Moved up in the second round from 56 overall to 49, sending a fourth-round pick to Chicago.
Comment: The Seahawks didn’t have to pay much to move up and get the best run-stopping DT in the draft, Jarran Reed. Schneider’s highest-drafted DT stepped right in as the replacement for the departed Brandon Mebane.
April 28: Moved down from 26 to 31 and received a third-round pick from Denver.
Comment: The Seahawks used the 31st pick to help their offensive line, adding offensive lineman Germain Ifedi. Getting a third-round pick made this an automatic win. They used that selection on TE Nick Vannett.
6 trades: 2-2-2
Sept. 6: Traded RB Christine Michael to Dallas for conditional seventh-rounder in 2016.
Comment: Michael was drafted in the second round in 2013, so this was a horrible return at the time. It turned into a free pick though when the Seahawks ended up bringing Michael back. We’ll call it a tie — even though the Hawks let Michael go again in 2016.
Sept. 5: Acquired S Kelcie McCray from Kansas City for conditional fifth in 2016.
Comment: With Kam Chancellor holding out, the Hawks felt they needed to trade for a safety. And McCray proved to be a nice addition, especially on special teams.
Aug. 31: Traded WR Kevin Norwood to Carolina for conditional seventh in 2017.
Comment: Schneider basically swapped a 2014 fourth for a 2017 seventh. Schneider has not been as good in the fourth round as he has in most of the rest of the draft, and this deal was further proof.
Aug. 2: Acquired CB Mohammed Seisay from Detroit for a sixth-rounder in 2016.
Comment: It was a desperation move as the Hawks worked to fill injury gaps in the secondary during training camp, but Seisay spent 2015 and 2016 on IR and was cut in early 2017.
May 1: Traded a third (95), fourth (112), fifth (167) and sixth (181) to Washington to move up 26 spots in the third round to select WR Tyler Lockett.
Comment: Lockett has been stellar as a returner and receiver, making the Pro Bowl as a rookie. It was a brilliant move by Schneider, who even came out slightly ahead on the trade chart, giving up 229 points and getting 245. This will go down as one of the GM’s best moves.
March 10: Acquired TE Jimmy Graham and a fourth-rounder (112) from New Orleans for C Max Unger and a first-rounder (31).
Comment: We called this a win when it was made, but then Graham got hurt at midseason and was unable to prove it in 2015. That injury, combined with problems at center that year, made it seem like a loss. Graham bounced back from a torn patellar tendon and had the best season ever by a Seahawks tight end in 2016, then scored 10 TDs in 2017. But the Hawks never used him properly, so this reverts to a tie (some would call it a loss, but he’s still the best tight end in team history).
6 trades: 2-2-2
Oct. 17: Traded WR Percy Harvin to N.Y. Jets for a sixth-round pick (could have been a fourth if Jets had kept Harvin).
Comment: The Hawks sent three picks to Minnesota and paid $18.4 million to a guy who played in eight of 24 possible games (including playoffs). The Hawks ended up getting screwed in this deal even worse than they were in the Deion Branch move — although at least they didn’t send Harvin back to the same team that fleeced them to start with. It wasn’t hard to predict this ending. It was a resounding loss — the biggest in Schneider’s tenure.
Aug. 30: Acquired CB Marcus Burley from Indianapolis for sixth-rounder in 2015.
Comment: Burley filled in during the first half of the 2014 season as injuries racked the secondary, and he stepped in again for the same reason in 2015 before being let go in 2016. He’ll always be a backup, but that’s what sixth-round picks are for.
May 10: Traded down in the fourth round (111 to 123) with Cincinnati and added a sixth-rounder (199).
Comment: It seems like the Hawks should have netted a fifth for this move — or at least a seventh in addition to the sixth. But they ended up with an extra player (OT Garrett Scott at 199) and still got the guy they were targeting at 111, Norwood. Unfortunately, they were unaware of Scott’s heart defect, so they basically dropped 12 spots for nothing.
May 9: Traded down from 40 to 45 with Detroit, sending the Lions a fifth-rounder (146) and acquiring a fourth (111) and seventh (227).
Comment: The Hawks dropped down twice and still got the guy they wanted, Richardson. Out of this deal, they ended up with FB Kiero Small (227) and they moved down again from 111 to add yet another pick (WR Kevin Norwood). Good moves by Schneider to add another pick, but Small did not make the team in 2014 and Norwood was gone in 2015. Nothing gained here.
May 8: Traded No. 32 to Minnesota for No. 40 and a fourth-rounder (108).
Comment: If they couldn’t have traded out of the first round, the Hawks were set to take Richardson at 32. That would have been too high. As it turned out, they moved down again and landed him at No. 45. With pick 108, they grabbed Cassius Marsh. Both players turned into contributors — Marsh turning into a special-teams standout and good supporting pass rusher, Richardson coming back from injury to make some big plays in 2016 and 2017.
April 21: Acquired QB Terrelle Pryor from Oakland for seventh-round pick (247).
Comment: Pryor counted as part of the 2014 draft class, and he might have been the best move Schneider made on Day 3 — even though this deal was done three weeks before the draft. Pryor was a third-round supplemental pick by Oakland, and he started nine games for them in 2013. Schneider had nothing to lose by taking a flier on the supremely talented athlete, even if he didn’t make the team. (He became a good receiver for Cleveland in 2016.)
5 trades: 1-1-3
Aug. 20: Traded OG John Moffitt to Denver for DT Sealver Siliga
Comment: The Hawks wasted a third-round pick on Moffitt, who simply didn’t have the desire to play — he retired three months after being traded and then was arrested in Chicago in March 2014 on drug possession charges. Siliga did some time on the practice squad in 2013 before finding his way onto New England’s roster. Neither team got anything out of this deal, although Siliga returned to the team briefly in 2016.
April 26: Traded No. 56 to Baltimore for No. 62 (Christine Michael), 165 and 199
April 27: Traded No. 165 and 199 to Detroit for No. 137 (Jesse Williams)
Comment: Schneider pulled his usual trick in the second round and moved down before drafting Michael. Then the GM used the two other picks to move up in the fifth round and draft DT Jesse Williams. Michael is gone and Williams never could shake injuries and illness. But Schneider gets an A for effort.
April 1: Traded QB Matt Flynn to Oakland for No. 5 in 2014 and conditional pick in 2015
Comment: After paying Flynn $8 million to back up Wilson in 2012, Schneider knew he could not do it again in 2013, so he found a team that was willing to make Flynn its starter and he foisted Flynn’s $5.25 million salary off on Oakland. Flynn lost the starting job to Pryor and was released in October. The Hawks did not get the conditional pick in 2015, but they used the fifth in 2014 to trade down in the second round and add a fourth and seventh. The fourth turned into WR Kevin Norwood and the seventh became FB Kiero Small — neither of whom did anything for Seattle. But at least Schneider tried to get something for Flynn, so we will give him a win.
March 12: Acquired WR Percy Harvin from Minnesota for No. 1, No. 7, 2014 No. 3
Comment: Schneider pulled off the biggest blockbuster of his tenure, gambling three picks and $67 million that Harvin would turn the Seahawks’ offense into a nuclear power. But Harvin had a reactor leak in his hip in 2013 and barely played. He showed signs of what he could do in limited game action, including returning a kick for a touchdown in the Super Bowl. The Hawks tried to design their offense around him in 2014, but his bad attitude was too much to overcome, and Schneider ended up getting his ass kicked in this deal — easily the worst move he has made as Seattle GM (we warned him not to do it).
5 trades: 4-0-1
Aug. 27: Sent QB Tarvaris Jackson to Buffalo for seventh in 2013.
Comment: It would have been nice if the Hawks could have gotten more for him. The Bills buried him on the inactive list because they would have owed a sixth-rounder if he had been active for six games. Nice to have something for him but the Hawks mishandled him the entire way, from his inclusion in the bogus three-headed QB competition to the late deal. The fact that he was back a year later means the Hawks got a seventh-rounder for free. They used the selection in the package of picks they sent Minnesota for Percy Harvin in 2013.
Aug. 20: Sent LB Barrett Ruud to New Orleans for seventh in 2013.
Comment: Not a bad deal, trading an injured guy after you signed him to a cheap contract. The Saints ended up releasing him in October and the Hawks walked away with a seventh-rounder, which they used on OG Ryan Seymour (who did nothing with Seattle). The Hawks could have gotten another seven for Braylon Edwards if they had been willing to deal him in September, but they misjudged that situation and ended up getting nothing for him when they released him after the trade deadline.
May 21: Acquired TE Kellen Winslow from Tampa Bay for a conditional sixth or seventh in 2013.
Comment: The deal was contingent on Winslow making the team, and the Hawks ended up cutting him after he balked at taking a pay cut. This deal was just a flier.
April 26: Dropped from 43 to 47 and picked up a fifth (154) and seventh (232) from the Eagles.
Comment: The Hawks ended up adding two picks to LB Bobby Wagner (47). LB Korey Toomer (154) was never able to stay healthy. DE Greg Scruggs (232) played quite a bit in the second half of his rookie season and then missed 2013 with an ACL injury and had injury issues again in 2014. Wagner was a great pick, but he is not a product of this trade (they could have had him at 43). Still, Schneider got some good extra picks for the move.
April 26: Dropped from 12 to 15 and picked up a fourth (114) and sixth (172) from the Eagles.
Comment: Schneider considered dropping farther down in the first round, but he decided to grab Bruce Irvin at 15 because he thought the Jets would take him at 16. The pick was a reach, but Schneider got good value for it. DT Jaye Howard (114) was inactive for most of his rookie season and didn’t make the team in 2013 (he went on to star for Kansas City), but CB Jeremy Lane (172) became a special-teams standout and saw a lot of action in his first two seasons before having a horribly unlucky 2014 season. He earned a contract extension in 2016.
3 trades: 1-0-2
Oct. 13: Traded LB Aaron Curry to Oakland for a 2012 seventh-rounder (OG J.R. Sweezy) and a fifth in 2013 (CB Tharold Simon).
Comment: We originally called this a loss simply because dumping the fourth overall pick should be a loss unless you come up with some great stuff out of it. But Curry’s admission that he was a lazy slug who did not try once he got paid (aka a thief) removes much of the blame from the team. Sweezy turned into a solid starter at right guard and earned a big contract from Tampa Bay. Simon was injured for most of his three seasons — and burned when he wasn’t hurt — and was let go in 2016.
Aug. 29: Traded CB Kelly Jennings to Cincinnati for DT Clinton McDonald.
Comment: The Hawks drafted two corners in 2011 and also had Marcus Trufant and Roy Lewis (who knew Brandon Browner would end up being more significant than any of them?) and needed depth on the D-line. Jennings lasted just one year in Cincinnati, but McDonald played for the Hawks for three years and parlayed a surprising 2013 season into a nice contract from Tampa Bay.
April 28: Traded the No. 57 pick along with fifth- (No. 157) and seventh-round picks (209) to the Lions for third- (No. 75), fourth- (No. 107), fifth- (No. 154) and seventh-round picks (No. 205).
Comment: Schneider basically turned Seattle’s second-round pick into a third and fourth (the moves in the fifth and seventh were negligible). The Hawks ended up with OG John Moffitt (75), WR Kris Durham (107), CB Richard Sherman (154) and DE Pep Levingston (205). Yes, Sherman was easily the best player to come out of the deal, but the Hawks surely could have had him with their original fifth-rounder, so he is not really a product of this move. Moffitt and Durham were flops. If the Hawks had stood pat in the second, they could have had WR Torrey Smith or WR Randall Cobb. The value of this trade was good, but Schneider took the wrong players, so we’ll call it a tie.
13 trades: 5-2-6
Oct. 11: Traded WR Deion Branch to New England for a 2011 fourth-round pick (K.J. Wright).
Comment: Yeah, the Hawks didn’t get back nearly what they gave up in what became one of the franchise’s worst trades ever, but they got more from the Patriots than they probably could have gotten from anyone else for a broken-down little wideout. And then the Hawks pulled off a nice find in Wright, who replaced Curry as the strongside starter as a rookie. Straight up, you would call that a win. But you have to factor in the 2006 first-rounder and the $39 million contract Branch cost the Seahawks. That makes it a tie.
Oct. 5: Traded a 2011 fourth-rounder and 2012 fifth-rounder to Buffalo for RB Marshawn Lynch.
Comment: That 67-yard Beast Quake touchdown run against the Saints in the 2010 playoffs was probably worth these two picks all by itself. But the Hawks got four great seasons out of Lynch as he became the identity of their offense — except from the 1-yard line with the Super Bowl on the line, apparently.
Sept. 5: Traded a 2011 seventh-rounder to Philadelphia for OT Stacy Andrews.
Comment: Andrews did not make the team, but it was nothing to give up for a guy who might have turned into something for Seattle.
Aug. 31: Traded a 2012 seventh-rounder to Detroit for OT Tyler Polumbus.
Comment: Polumbus started seven games for Seattle in 2010 and played in 20 before the Hawks surprisingly let him go in 2011 (when they still had line problems). He went on to start 42 games for Washington. He was a nice emergency pickup by Schneider.
Aug. 31: Traded CB Josh Wilson to Baltimore for a 2011 fifth-round choice.
Comment: We railed against this move when the Hawks dumped their best cover corner for peanuts. They went with Kelly Jennings at corner in 2010, and he failed to make a play. The Hawks ended up using that fifth-rounder in the deal with Detroit that netted them Sherman, so they basically replaced Wilson with Sherman a year later. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Seahawks should have gotten more for Wilson or, better yet, kept him over Jennings. Interesting side note: The Ravens recouped their fifth-rounder as a comp pick in 2012 for Wilson signing with Washington.
Aug. 18: Traded DE Lawrence Jackson to Detroit for a 2011 sixth-round choice (CB Byron Maxwell).
Comment: You can argue that Jackson was a bad first-round pick — he should have been a second-rounder. But this was just cutting losses. Jackson became a good rotation guy on Detroit’s line (13 sacks in three seasons) but was out of the league by 2013. Meanwhile, after two injury-plagued seasons, Maxwell ascended to Seattle’s starting lineup in 2014 and earned a big contract from Philadelphia. That turned this from a loss to a tie. That’s as good as it gets when you dump a first-rounder for a sixth.
Aug. 16: Traded a 2011 sixth-rounder to San Francisco for DT Kentwan Balmer.
Comment: This was the reverse of the Jackson deal, sending a late-round pick on a flier for a former first-rounder. No big loss.
April 24: Acquired RB LenDale White, DT Kevin Vickerson, a fourth-rounder (CB Walter Thurmond) and a sixth (TE Anthony McCoy) from Tennessee for a fourth and sixth.
Comment: At the time, this looked like a major win. But White was cut soon after the deal, and Vickerson surprisingly was let go just before the season. Thurmond played well when he wasn’t injured or suspended, and McCoy was inconsistent until injuries cost him the 2013 and 2014 seasons. The Titans ended up with CB Alterraun Verner in the fourth, and he made the Pro Bowl in 2013 before earning a $26.5 million contract with Tampa Bay in 2014.
April 24: Acquired RB Leon Washington and a seventh-round pick (DE Dexter Davis) from the New York Jets for a fifth-round pick (RB John Conner).
Comment: This looked like a great deal from the start, and Washington’s three return TDs in 2010 quickly verified that observation. Plus, the Hawks were able to keep him on a four-year deal in 2011, and he continued to run well for them in 2011-12 before they let him go in 2013 after they acquired Harvin (we never liked either of those moves).
April 5: Traded OG Rob Sims and a seventh-rounder to Detroit for DE Robert Henderson and a fifth-rounder (S Kam Chancellor).
Comment: In 2010, this looked like a possible tie as the Hawks really struggled with their O-line (not much has changed, eh?), but Chancellor quickly tipped this deal in Seattle’s favor with his rapid progress in 2011. Over the second half of 2013, he was as dominant as any defender in the league. And he turned it up again in the 2014 playoffs, especially against Carolina. Sims started every game with the Lions for five years and was very solid for them, so it’s not like the Lions got their butts kicked in this deal. But Seattle got a Pro Bowl safety out of it.
March 17: Acquired QB Charlie Whitehurst and a second-round pick (60, WR Golden Tate) from San Diego for a second-rounder (40, RB Ryan Mathews) and a 2011 third-rounder (DB Shareece Wright).
Comment: This deal was a loss when it was made, based on what the Seahawks gave up for a third-string QB. The Chargers used the second-rounder to move up in the first round and draft Mathews. The Hawks drafted Tate at 60, and he took a couple of years to develop before turning in two good seasons and moving on to Detroit. Whitehurst did start the division-clinching season finale vs. the Rams in 2010, but he was uninspiring. And his horrendous performance in Cleveland in 2011 put the nail in his coffin. The Hawks got a little something back, though, because the Chargers brought him back in March 2012, and he netted the Hawks a seventh-round comp pick.
March 16: Traded DE Darryl Tapp to Philadelphia for DE Chris Clemons and a fourth-rounder (DE E.J. Wilson).
Comment: Clemons had 33.5 sacks in his first three years before tearing his ACL in the 2012 playoffs and getting cut after the 2013 Super Bowl season. Tapp had six sacks in three years for Philly and then went to Detroit (he was still in the league as of 2016). This is obviously one of Schneider’s best trades, even though Wilson did not work out.
March 8: Traded QB Seneca Wallace to Cleveland for a conditional seventh-rounder in 2011.
Comment: When this deal was originally made, it seemed like a loss, simply because it seemed Schneider could have gotten one of Mike Holmgren’s three fifth-round picks in the 2010 draft. Wallace started seven games for the Browns over two years and is now out of the league. The seventh-rounder the Hawks got went to Detroit in that Moffitt-Durham deal. So basically, the Hawks traded Wallace for Pep Levingston. Nothing for either side to crow about.